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Camping leaves the Prediction Camp

November 1, 2011 Leave a comment

I saw this article today- http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/harold-camping-quitting-prediction-business-145931855.html and my reaction was “Thank God.” It’s about time Mr. Camping  gave this up. I’ve written a couple of posts about FamilyRadio’s  former head (you can search my blog for “harold camping”).

In a 5 min. message on their website he admits that they need some more humility before the Lord and says that they have to be very careful not to dictate to God what He should do or when He should do it. He is God and He is in control. He said God will reveal truth to us in His time. He says “We are simply learning, and sometimes it’s painful to learn.” He mentioned that there was a level of embarrassment for Family Radio through their ordeal. He also admits in his message, “Oh Lord, I don’t know anything. Lord, You teach me.  And that’s the attitude that has to be a part of each one of us.” He also apologized for saying that people who did not believe that the rapture would occur on May 21 were not saved. “I should not have said that, and I apologize for that.”

Well, that’s a far different tune than previously stating over and over again that the rapture would occur on certain dates (possibly even 20, said one follower)  “beyond the shadow of a doubt.”

Is he really done predicting? I hope so. I still feel for those who gave up everything on this falsity. 80 million dollars could have gone to much better uses!

What will happen on October 21?

October 20, 2011 1 comment

Well, if the kids are feeling better, we may go to sand castle days on the island. But my real question was what will happen tomorrow in the whole “end of the world” category? What will happen??????

Here are some posts I wrote about the delusional Harold Camping.

Here’s an interesting article from the daughter of two devout followers of Camping.


Not as much press this time around, huh?  Good.  I’m not surprised.

What REALLY happened on May 21?

October 4, 2011 2 comments

Oh, no. This guy again! I wrote previously on this blog about Harold Camping and Family Radio- The end is near? and Family Radio (Before and After), where I showed screen shots of their website changes from the countdown to no countdown the next day. Out of boredom maybe and a little curiosity I surfed on over to their website to see if they changed it yet again.  It sure did. Here it is:

Notice towards the top, there’s a “What happened on May 21?” link. I went there. I knew that they were still claiming that Oct. 21st would be the end, since it wasn’t May, but this interested me to see how they’d spin this. So I’ve copied their text here along with my remarks that I wrote as I read. Needless to say I was pretty upset that they continue spouting this stuff. My comments which I wrote last night while reading this page (which got me all fired up) are in bold and italics:

 What really happened this past May 21st ? What really happened is that God accomplished exactly what He wanted to happen.

Really??? When did you decide this? Was it after you said that God wanted something ELSE to happen on that day? OK, so you’re defending God, because He didn’t do what you thought He would do. I don’t think you’re covering God here, I think you’re covering your own flawed interpretation of God. I’d appreciate if you’d stop trying so hard.

That was to warn the whole world that on May 21 God’s salvation program would be finished on that day. For the next five months, except for the elect (the true believers),

Wait just a minute. Who are YOU calling the elect? I wonder if you would consider me a part of that group. I’m a pastor in an organized church. So you probably don’t count me as being IN. I’m fine with that. I don’t count what you put out as TRUTH. I’m saddened that many people, who you call elect have been led astray by your predictions.

the whole world is under God’s final judgment.

Some of your “elect” followers came under their own judgment after May 21, when you took their life savings. One overseas man hung himself because you were wrong and he believed you. A mother tried to kill her own children and herself, and thankfully was found and stopped and jailed. That blood is on your hands. That’s not God’s judgment. That’s your insanity.

To accomplish this goal God withheld from the true believers the way in which two phrases were to be understood. Had He not done so, the world would never have been shaken in fear as it was.

Was the world really shaken in fear on May 21???? I don’t think so. Christianity became the brunt of many jokes because of what you are espousing. People think Christians like myself are crazy because they just link us in with wackos like you. All the media attention that you got didn’t scare anyone who is living apart from Christ. It made them less receptive to ever coming to Christ. It was 15 minutes of fame, or better yet…infamy. Only certain people got scared and I hope after your (at least) second FAILED prediction they will stop believing your lies. Everyone else has forgotten about you, that is until your next date (Oct. 21).

One phrase is “the completion of God’s salvation program.” The other is “God’s final judgment.” The completion of God’s salvation plan is concentrated in the word “rapture.” The phrase “God’s final judgment” is concentrated in the word “earthquake.”

These two words, “earthquake” and “rapture,” have been extremely important in our teaching of Judgment Day – May 21. A critical understanding of these two words is the only change required to know why the unsaved are now living in a world that has not been horribly destroyed, and the elect have not been caught up to be with God.

Let’s start playing with words again. Who’s tracks are we covering exactly???

We always look at the word “earthquake” to mean the earth, or ground, is quaking or shaking violently. However, in the Bible the word “earth” can include people as well as ground.

In Genesis 2:7 we read:

“And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground…” Thus the word “earthquake” can also be understood to teach that mankind shakes.

    Therefore we have learned from our experience of last May 21 what actually happened. All of mankind was shaken with fear.

Again, already wrote about this. No, mankind was NOT shaken with fear. Shaken with laughter, maybe. Fear, not so much. Boy, there were some good jokes too. Did you hear any of them while cooped up in your house that you didn’t sell before your “judgment day”?

Indeed the earth (or mankind) did quake in a way it had never before been shaken.

That’s a real stretch. Which is it? Earth or mankind? I didn’t see any shaking, physically or emotionally.

God had come spiritually to bring judgment upon the whole world.

Is this the second coming then? Is God not already here? So then is the second coming gonna be the third or what? This happened on May 21, right?

The second word, “rapture,” identifies with the idea of the completion of God’s salvation program. The catching up of all the elect meant that there was to be no more salvation activity to be done anywhere in the world by God. Each and every true believer had become eternally safe with God in Heaven. No more was there any aspect of God’s salvation program that remained to be done.

OK…we’re grasping at straws now.

But the same thing became true this past May 21, even though no one was raptured. No one who had not become saved by that date can ever become saved. God tells us in Revelation 22:10-12:

“And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: For the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still. And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”

That’s just more crazy. I’m really taking offense at this website, that you’re spreading these lies. Why are you doing this? This Revelation 22 moment has NOT occurred yet. God’s salvation program is up and running and will be right up until the end…an end that you won’t be able to predict. Quit confusing people already.

Thus we have learned that except for a somewhat different understanding of the words “earthquake” and “rapture” or “catching up” no other past teachings of Judgment Day or the end of the world have been changed.

No, we’ve learned not to believe anything you say. We’ve learned that you think you’re good at back pedaling, even though you wouldn’t admit it. We’ve learned that despite you having a horribly wrong theology about a great number of things, you won’t give up and you keep trying to gain a following. Why does anyone follow you? That I just don’t understand.

The time line, the certainty of it, the proofs, and the signs are all precisely the same. No other past teachings have been changed or modified. Indeed, on May 21 Christ did come spiritually to put all of the unsaved throughout the world into judgment.

How many people would’ve put that together from solid exegesis and Bible interpretation? I can think of only one. Harold Camping… false prophet.

But that universal judgment will not be physically seen until the last day of the five month judgment period, on October 21, 2011.

Now we have to wait again for you to be proven wrong and a phony, giving us all a bad rap and deceiving a few people in the process for your own gain. Yeah, now you’re getting defensive. Well, that’s the way I see it. I hope that anyone who might be thinking about believing you reads this and thinks twice.

We have also learned that God is still teaching that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked and will not punish the wicked beyond what is called for in Deuteronomy 25. That is, there is a distinct limit to God’s wrath.

There’s a distinct limit to your hermeneutics. And I think we reached it a long time ago. You really should think about NOT speaking for God, especially when you’re so far away from sound doctrine.

Thus we can be sure that the whole world, with the exception of those who are presently saved (the elect), are under the judgment of God, and will be annihilated together with the whole physical world on October 21, 2011, on the last day of the present five months period. On that day the true believers (the elect) will be raptured.

Since nothing happened in 1994 (remember that book?) and nothing happened on May 21st, this is the new date. Wait, you say it’s not new at all, it’s all God’s plan. A plan you were so sure of on May 21st, but now you’re MORE sure.

We must remember that only God knows who His elect are that He saved prior to May 21.

Wow. Just wow. So no one can be saved now?

You, too, without your knowledge may have become saved before that date.

Oh, you can be saved and not know it?

Anyone can continue to beseech God for mercy because salvation and the election program are entirely in God’s hands.

And anyone can give financially to Family Radio and Harold Camping???

I’ll tell you what’s in God’s hands…His plan and His timetable. It’s not what you’re “preaching”. When will you understand that you can’t predict it? Probably never. Too bad. You need to retire on the money you stole from people supporting you and quit teaching your untruths. You’ve been wrong every time and you’ll never be right.

There you have it. Do I feel bad about my tone here? Not necessarily. Reacting this way is really unlike me, but I’ve had it with this guy! And like I said, I feel bad that some people (granted very few) have taken Camping’s word hook line and sinker. People have searched “harold camping” and landed on my other posts and my hope is that if anyone lands here who might be a follower of Camping’s or thinking about it would reconsider and leave the nonsense behind.

How do you feel? What’s your initial response to this???

Look for the next and final Harold Camping post on October 22nd of this year  🙂

Westboro = Church?

May 26, 2011 7 comments

Westboro “church” is apparently in Joplin to protest. That is mind boggling in and of itself, but goes to show the level of lunacy in this group. Where is this hatred coming from? And why?

Brandon, Mississippi gave them their match according to this article: http://www.ihatethemedia.com/a-simple-way-to-stop-westboro-baptist-church-funeral-protesters but I imagine Joplin will come up with some even better way to counter this horrible and deranged agenda.

If you’ve read my other recent posts you know that Joplin is my hometown. I now live 16 hours away, but my heart is broken over the devastation my family and friends are facing. My heart also breaks that a group that calls themselves “church” are driving from Topeka to kick Joplin when their down. Well, they are rising up, and no one, especially not anyone from Westboro can stop them.

I’ve heard many ideas that people have to deal with these loonies. I don’t know what they’re going to do. We’ll have to wait and see. (I’ll post in the comments section whenever the news comes of what happens.) The consensus I hear among those is my circle is to hit them with love, which is the complete opposite of what they spew.

Here’s their flier and accusation of Joplin, painting everyone with a broad brush of hatred and contempt: http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/20110523_MO-and-KS-Tornadoes-89-Plus-Dead.pdf

Really??? Wow. The Bible College is a whore house? This sarcastic and carefully written document makes me sick. It’s not true at all. That’s not the Joplin I know and love.

Right now Joplin is living up to the name CHURCH and I’m so proud of the way the church at large in Joplin and its surroundings are coming together for the community and making all the difference. Westboro taints the word “church” with all of its awful activities. The other crazy, Harold Camping, taught that the church of today is apostate and is not even saved. I beg to differ!

Last night at our church in Texas, we finished out Kyle Idleman’s series “H20”. In episode 10 Kyle (who last I knew is in Joplin right now helping with the relief effort) explained that the river is purest at its source. Because of this, we should go to the early church at its very beginning in Acts 2:37-47 to see how the church ought to be. “Good” and “strong” churches will do their very best to exhibit these 5 attributes from Acts 2:

1) No irrelevant teaching- but rather Bibl-based, Christ-centered, needs-meeting, transforming doctrine

2) No one left alone- apply the “one anothers” of scripture, accept one another, love one another unconditionally, to name a few.

3) No masks- don’t hide behind any false front or pretense. Be sincere and genuine.

4) No half-hearted worship- strong commitment 7 days a week.

5) No perfect people allowed- No one is better than anyone else, when the standard is perfection. You can’t say someone doesn’t deserve grace, because you don’t either. Nobody’s perfect, only forgiven and changed.

I look at this list, and I see Joplin loud and clear. The church in Joplin is doing all of this, now more than ever. Acts 2 reads,

44 All the believers were together and had everything in common. 45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. 46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.”

This is taking place right now in Joplin! All I see coming out of Westboro “church” is the complete opposite. I see people who are fake, irrelevant, half-hearted, mask-wearing, think their above everyone else, no love, all hate, hypocrites, and they give the church a bad name. What is wrong with this picture? So very much.

Here’s Kyle Idleman in front of a church building that was destroyed by this natural disaster in Joplin. It was not God’s judgment. The rain falls on the righteous and the unrighteous. My point is, tornadoes may destroy church buildings, but the true church can never be destroyed.

God loves Joplin. He even loves Westboro “church”. I’m praying for Joplin. I’ll be there to help rebuild in a few weeks. I’m praying for people to have wisdom in having to put up with the goons from Westboro on top of everything else. Kill ’em with kindness. Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you. Their claims are baseless and their actions can’t be any lower. Don’t stoop to their level. The true church will come out on top.

Family Radio (Before and After)

May 24, 2011 2 comments

Here is Harold Camping’s Family Radio website homepage on May 21st:

Here is the homepage after:

I fortunately snagged the image from the former before they changed it. The latter has been stripped of all things May 21st.

All this is no surprise to me, if you read my “The End is Near?” post and comments I made under it. I predicted this stance that Harold Camping has taken, and it’s a much better and wiser prediction than any he’ll ever make. He’s back peddling now, like he did in 1994. Is he really “flabbergasted” and “dumbfounded”. Can he really figure out what he did wrong in his calculations? I’ll tell you what he did wrong. He calculated. All based off of a wrong premise. October 21, 2011 will be no different. He wasn’t off by five months, he was off by bad hermeneutics. No amount of time and figuring will help. People need to stop believing him. I’m amazed that some people, still follow him after May 21st. Some believe God delayed his judgment because of their prayers! They’ll believe anything except that Camping is a fraud. Either a fraud or a confused old man.

I try to be nice in my posts. Too many go the opposite extreme and are downright mean an “unchristian” in their attacks. A firm stance is one thing. He is a false teacher and prophet, with zero credibility. But being crude is also uncalled for.

This post has some good points and stories in it: http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110523/ts_yblog_thelookout/doomsday-prophet-followers-flabbergasted-world-didnt-end.

This one too: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/23/preacher-got-date-apocalypse-wrong-tries-says-months/?test=latestnews.

Here’s Harold claiming to need some time to think before doing any interviews.

He say he needs time to think? How about thinking about returning people the money they gave you to follow your message? Why didn’t you sell your house before the rapture if you weren’t going to need it? This is plain ridiculous. His poor followers fund his delusions. They need to turn to the truth. All this crying wolf is an abuse that will numb people into believing it’s all a myth. Instead we need to live like perhaps today Christ could return. Are we truly ready? Are we busy doing his work? Not renting billboards that promote a false, dangerous, and embarrassing date-setting message. Real ministry! This devo scripturally makes a case for doing just that: http://www.swordofthespirit.org/devotional/show/13202. It’s worth the short read! Scripturally speaking, it’s not for us to know times and seasons, but rather we are to Be Busy About Ministry Until The Lord Returns.

I’m done with all this Harold Camping stuff. I first saw them in February and was anxious to expose his heresy. But it’s a waste of time and effort. It’s simply not worth my time. On to more important things like doing real ministry. My hometown of Joplin, MO is suffering greatly right now, and not due to any of Camping’s predictions. Here’s a trusted place where you can give to help relief efforts in that devasted town- http://www.ides.org/joplin.html. It’s better than giving to other organizations because 100% goes to the relief effort and faster than others. It’s SOOOOOOO much better than giving anything to Family Radio or Harold Camping!!!!

I’d never give to Camping, but I am giving to Joplin relief and so should you!

The End is Near?

May 18, 2011 7 comments

I’ve been waiting to blog about Harold Camping since I first heard about him back in February. On the border there is this annual parade, and it’s a big deal. With so many people downtown in one place, guess who rolled into town. A bunch of people that looked like they weren’t from around these parts, and they were spouting off some crazy talk and pamphlets spelling out the Rapture and the beginning of the end on May 21st, 2011 as a guaranteed fact. As a pastor, I had just finished an extensive Wednesday nights study of Revelation (Jesus only gave one unveiling or revelation, not many as I’ve heard these Camping faithfuls say “RevelationS”, that’s beside the point, I digress). For this study, I read more in preparation than I have ever done in my years in ministry. I have a totally different view of eschatology (study of end times) than HC (Harold Camping) does, including not even believing in a Rapture in the way that millions do. My views are for another post and they are not the ones in question. I’m not claiming to have it all figured out either. Furthermore, your eschatological view is not an essential element to salvation. Jesus could come back today or tomorrow, probably not on May 21st since so many claim they know he will, but maybe on May 22 or maybe not in our lifetime. We need to be ready at all times.

I had told my group never to believe if someone said they knew when all this will take place, because you can’t know. Then this group rolled into town. It was exhibit A. All people who have claimed to know have one thing for sure in common. They’ve all been WRONG. Every time. That’s where this becomes dangerous.

For one, this whole ordeal, which is now gaining more media coverage is making Christians look foolish. One little group (well, pretty big actually) is making us all look bad and crazy. Then others who are defending the truth, do so in such a mocking and drastic way that they also give us a bad rap. These sincere followers are misguided and wasting their energy and money on things that will eventually be a “great disappointment” to them. They will have a choice, to continue to follow Camping, or follow Christ. We need to pray for these folks.

HC will make excuses, he’ll claim further study and revelation (even though there’s only ONE revelation, again, not many, and 2 Peter 1:20  says that “no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.”). He may say he made a mistake or miscalculation and then guess again, making up more magical calculations and some good money in the process. Followers of HC claim he gives his books away, that he’s not out for money. Yet his “non-profit” Family Radio has 120 million dollars of donations from well intentioned followers, and that’s on the books. I’ve read as much as $250 mil, but that just in a viewer comment. That he’s not out for money, is just another bold face lie. I can hear Bill Cosby’s voice from his Noah routine saying, “RIGHT!”

About Camping’s book– this is a real nugget. It’s called “1994”. It’s about how all this is going to happen in September of 1994. Wait a minute, that’s way back when my family came off of the mission field, and nothing happened. In the book he states, “We must conclude that the return of Christ will not be 2011 A.D”.  page 495.  So wait a minute, if you believe Harold Camping, then that means you can’t believe Harold Camping! He contradicts himself, and scripture.

In 1994 Camping’s failed prediction even caused 1 man to commit suicide because he was so embarrassed, and many abandoned the faith altogether. He’s got so many people hook, line, and sinker, it’s like a cult. It’s really sad.

Camping has predicted the rapture approx. 7 times. Deut. 18:21-22 states he is disqualified and a false prophet. Let’s let HC speak for himself: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/a_conversation_with_harold_cam.html

How certain are you that world is going to end on May 21 — do you have any doubts?
God has given sooo much information in the Bible about this, and so many proofs, and so many signs, that we know it is absolutely going to happen without any question at all. There’s nothing in the Bible that God has ever prophesied — there’s many things that he prophesied would happen and they always have happened — but there’s nothing in the Bible that holds a candle to the amount of information to this tremendous truth of the end of the world. I would be absolutely in rebellion against God if I thought anything other than it is absolutely going to happen without any question.

But you were wrong the first time you predicted that the end of the world would take place in September of 1994. So you must think, in the back of your mind, that maybe you can’t actually predict when the end of the world will be.
In 1992, two years earlier than that, I had already begun to see that there was a good likelihood that 2011 would be the end, but at that time when my research in the Bible was not nearly complete

If six o’clock rolls around and there are no major earthquakes, are you going to start to get worried?
It’s going to happen. It’s going to happen. I don’t even think about those kind of issues. The Bible is not — God is not playing games. I don’t even want to think about that question at all. It is going to happen.

Are you going to do something with all your money before the 21st? Are you going to donate it to charity or something?
What’s the point? In other words, Judgment Day is the end of the world. That means that the whole world is in judgment, it will not be business as usual at all. At all.

 There you have it. From HC himself. Whatever happened to humility and submission in Biblical interpretation? There’s even more on the link I provided. He makes up a bunch of stuff, including holy numbers that aren’t accepted as such.

In numerology you can say anything you want to say. I could say that “Cute Purple Dinosaur” is 666 the mark of the beast through numerology. He bases his math on a date for Christ’s crucifixion on Friday April 1, AD 33, a date that most commentators would take issue with for several reasons, and no one really is sure, there are so many variables. It’s crucial for his findings, and already wobbly.  That and his other important dates such as 1948, Israel as a nation, Christians are divided on whether this is a fulfillment of Scripture. He takes controversial or at least debatable dates and counts on his interpretation as fact and his findings depend on his being right. Like I said, I could debate and take issue with most of his important data.

Youtube user : (Steve is his name) has done just that. He’s posted many videos, a lot longer than this one: http://youtu.be/J-Tnz-U4bAY, and has gone toe to toe with one of the biggest followers of Camping-  (Bill, I think is his name).

Witness of the (false) truth spreads his so-called “truth” in the marketplace with over 60 videos and thousands of views, adamandtly using the King James only. He’s passionate and very present among the harsh comments. Hetgow has challenged him to put his money (if he has any left) where his mouth is. Give him all his money, since he won’t need it after Saturday, and Hetgow will donate to Bible distribution after the fact. He didn’t take him up on it. So the challenge was lowered to $1…no dice. 1 month ago Witnessofthetruth said “Good-bye youtube”, but has resurfaced with videos of 4, 3, 2 and probably tomorrow, 1 day of mercy.

Hetgow recently pleaded with Witnessofthetruth with a sincere tone to not do anything foolish on May 22nd, when he crashes and falls hard. Again, we should really pray for these deluded followers of a person, a person already shown to be a false teacher and prophet. When you press either Camping or Witnessofthetruth they, of course, get defense and down right fiesty!

A little scripture shows the clear message of Christ regarding the end:

Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.  (Matthew 7:15)

…many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. (Matthew 24:11)

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (Matthew 24:35-36)

Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. (Matthew 25:13)

“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.  For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. (Matthew 24:26-27)

When a prophet speaks in the LORD’s name, and the message does not come true or is not fulfilled, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.  (Deuteronomy 18:22-23)

If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that religion is a means of gain (1 Timothy 6:3-5).

HC says that on Saturday at 6pm in every time zone (really? that’s weird) a large earthquake will take place and graves will open up, and the truly saved will be raptured up. Well, if that doesn’t take place, and you believed it, please never believe this guy or anyone like him again. Enough with the date setting! Be ready at all times. I’ll be praising God at a David Crowder concert Saturday night. I seriously don’t think Jesus will come back then, but when he does, I’ll be ready.

Will this Saturday, May 21st, be the Rapture (if you belive in a “rapture” to start)? Then in a weird twist 5 months later as Camping states, will October 21st be the end of the world? Or will May 22nd mark the end of Harold Camping, or at least taking him seriously?

What do you think?

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